Problems With Jerry Johns Basic Reading Inventory
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| Posted Dec 01, 2003 at 6:35:09 PM Bailiwick: John's Reading Inventory Question for Educators, Can someone tell me what the John's Reading Inventory is? This is a test that was preformed by my son's school. Although the instructor attempted to go over the test with me, the AP said that non only could she non keep a copy of the test in my son's records and would have to destroy information technology, I could not accept the copy for my own records likewise. I have never heard of this reading inventory before and I am certainly hoping this was not the "in-depth reading assessment" that was recommended past the Principal. Son is in 5th course. Other results were: Private Assessment completed in 3rd form ( 2years ago) showed: Exact Tests: Performance Bones Reading: 95, 37%, GE 3.six Distressing to ask for so much. I accept been going over the the section on LDonline to try to educate myself virtually how to read these things and specifically decrepancies, just I am always told differently by the school. My son is in his third yr of EIP reading and making Ds and some Fs. I want to get him help from a individual source only I need the school to evaluate his writing and reading abilities so I know where to get from hither. All advice is welcome. Sandy | |
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| pattim Joined Jun 15, 2003 Posts: 221 Other Topics | Posted:December 02, 2003 2:xl:54 AM Subject:I have never heard of the John's reading inventory Something sounds kind of fishy to me...because I thought all protocols (assessments) should be kept with the students files and not destroyed. |
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| Sandy in GA Joined Sep 28, 2003 Posts: vi Other Topics | Posted:Dec 03, 2003 10:12:21 PM Subject:Destroying Examination Yes Pattim, It sounded foreign to me as well. She insisted that the copy she had would have to be shreaded and I wsa non allowed to take a re-create. They simply went over the results with me the whole time, the instructor was arguing with the AP on the results. Information technology was very evident that what ever this test was suppose to make up one's mind, they were all not united with the findings. |
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| Kay Joined Jun 13, 2003 Posts: 64 Other Topics | Posted:Dec 04, 2003 three:17:01 PM Subject:Re: John'southward Reading Inventory here'due south a spider web site talking about the Jerry Fifty. Johns reading inventory complete with ordering data. At that place'due south a phone number in that location you could endeavour calling to ask specific questions nearly test. (If this link is too long to access, I got to it via http://www.hoagiesgifted.org/reading_levels.htm at the bottom of the page. |
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| Janis Joined Jun 12, 2003 Posts: 1442 Other Topics | Posted:December 04, 2003 v:41:39 PM Subject:Re: John'due south Reading Inventory A reading inventory is fine to runway progress or even as one component of a comprehensive evaluation, simply information technology is not a standardized instrument (as far as I know). To make up one's mind LD, they should have done either the Woodcock Johnson-Iii ir the WIAT. Those reading subtests would have yielded standard scores. Garde equivalents are not really meaningful. Janis |
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| Sandy in GA Joined Sep 28, 2003 Posts: 6 Other Topics | Posted:Dec 04, 2003 x:45:54 PM Subject:John's Reading Inventory Cheers for the assist and especially the link. I checked it out and saw information regarding the evaluation. I think I am still confused nearly why the test was not put into his folder peculiarly for the sake of doing information technology. No comments were made regarding the results and if any modifications needed to be done in his class. So, why keep information technology so cloak-and-dagger? Maybe I will get an answer from the school soon......... |
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| Janis Joined Jun 12, 2003 Posts: 1442 Other Topics | Posted:December 05, 2003 8:05:27 PM Subject field:Re: John's Reading Inventory I but reread this. Our district puts NO test protocols in the child'south special ed. folder. There are evaluation reports but the actual test protocols are never fifty-fifty brought back to the school later on testing. I assume the diagnostician and psychologist either keep (or destroy eventually?) the protocols. Our SLP (based at the school) also writes a summary of examination results for the file and scores are recorded on the IEP form "Summary of Test Results". But parents normally do not see the test protocols. Janis |
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| Sue Joined Jun 14, 2003 Posts: 1845 Other Topics | Posted:Dec 05, 2003 ix:47:07 PM Subject:Re: John'southward Reading Inventory THat's the way it's been done every where I've been -- the protocols go filed much more "deeply." Let's face up it, if everybody knew what was on those tests we'd accept more parents similar that 1 who coached her kiddo into "geniushood" (and herself into the courts). Sue J, webmastress world wide web.resourceroom.net |
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| Sandy in GA Joined Sep 28, 2003 Posts: 6 Other Topics | Posted:Dec 05, 2003 10:00:13 PM Subject:Johns Reading Inventory How'd you guess Sue? My kiddo came home and said the Speech Pathologist gave him some tests today. I was expecting some consent forms to exist sent home first. I estimate my e-mail to the principal triggered something to happen. I emailed her 3 days ago asking her the status of the educational assessment. She emailed me back today asking me more specifically which assessment I was referring to. ??? Foreign she would enquire that the same day he was in in that location testing with the oral communication pathologist. My problem is simple. My son'south doctors accept asked for a full psyco-edu eval several times over the concluding 3 years. They are bugging me that I have not made the school practise it. I endeavour once more and it's 3 months after my written request. His doctors all state specific reason why he should take the schoolhouse exam him specifically for dyslexia and dysgraphia and they pretty much do not desire to be the only source of help and he is non going to benefit until he is taught how to read and write on his level. argh....does it accept to exist so difficult? |
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| Anonymous Joined Mar 02, 2022 Posts: 69136 Other Topics | Posted:Dec 05, 2003 11:41:01 PM Subject field:well when I requested copies of my daughter'south cum at the districit offices the Protocols were xeroxed along with everything else. Equally an SLP I have protocols in my implementer files only I accept never been asked to shred a protocol later showing information technology to the parent. Some test protocols that we apply like the Rosetti are filled out by the parents... |
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| Janis Joined Jun 12, 2003 Posts: 1442 Other Topics | Posted:Dec 06, 2003 1:19:49 PM Subject:Re: John'due south Reading Inventory Sandy, The existent question I would accept to ask myself is: what purpose will it actually serve to accept the schoolhouse test the kid? My personal answer is that since the majority of schools in the US are clueless about remediating reading disorders, information technology is extremely unlikely that the school would be whatever help at all. Ordinarily parents have to observe a qualified tutor or become the training themselves to really take a adventure at remediation. Patti, I take likewise asked Anna'south SLP for copies of test protocol score sheets (not the total protocol) after she has been tested and they do give them to me. I think they may accept made those concessions for us since we are likewise in the same (or related) field and already empathise the score sheets. Janis |
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| Bearding Joined Mar 02, 2022 Posts: 69136 Other Topics | Posted:Dec 27, 2003 9:57:xvi PM Field of study:Johns The Johns is a very overnice criterion-referenced test which is well-served as a measurement of objectives/benchmarks in the IEP goals section if administered correctly and completely. I mention such scores in a Present Level of Ed Performance during non-evaluatory years--and apply the information from the Johns in grouping students for instruction and evaluating other instructional needs. From a formal assessment standpoint, it is a screening tool--and a valuable one for pedagogy reading. However, non being standardized, I cannot accurately measure out growth from the past iii years nor compare scores to other scores. The Star Reading test mentioned in the original post is heavily skewed toward vocabulary. Information technology is a comprehension-only examination and computerized (which adds another cistron to the equation). I am forced to use it at my school and find it inaccurate--either inflated if the educatee is a saavy context reader (uses clues in passages to guess at unknown words) AND has a skillful vocab, or deflated if vocab is an result or doesn't use context clues finer...or doesn't do well on the compter screen. Also, the lack of human contact on this test makes it impossible to analyze errors or attempt. I like the Johns and Burns-Roe and Flynnt-Cooter and many other criterion-ref tests; however, not for three yr assessments as the information are non measurable in the proper style. BTW, I do not like the Silveroli for students quaternary grade and in a higher place. It's readability just isn't accurate. McGraw-Hill is redoing it (again & again) and perhaps that will modify. I do non put my examination protocols in the child's cumulative file. Those stay in my personal file. I do, still, report all scores (including raw scores when requested). If I am called to show, I want my protocols were I can find them--not in some school file where they could be lost or misused. |
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| Anonymous Joined Mar 02, 2022 Posts: 69136 Other Topics | Posted:December 28, 2003 seven:02:31 PM Subject:Re: John's Reading Inventory Practiced folks, there is a divergence between the typical standardized test and the "benchmark-refrenced" test. In about instances, norm-referenced tests (aka standardized) are useful to make up one's mind approximately where your kid ranks in comparison to other students of approximately his/her age and/or grade level. Most standardized tests are not detailed enough to exist diagnostic. Standardized reading tests are used to assist in qualifying students for special education because the scores, when converted to a standard score, tin be compared to other areas of assessment/achievement. They are likewise useful to expect at functioning changes after special education is in identify. If your kid has a standard score of 80 in reading comprehension and three years later this score has become a 96, for example, then you have seen a positive modify and can compare the new standard score to other scores, I.Q., processing issues, etc. To get together diagnostic data to guide didactics and to gear to writing goals/objectives, benchmark-referenced measures similar the Johns are appropriate. A complete administration of the Johns can aid the teacher in identifying strengths, weakness and response patterns while applying decoding skills to the reading of randomly selected words from graded lists. Reading inventories also permit the teacher to assess oral reading speed and accuracy (fluency) and comprehension skills (orally given answers to open-ended questions from varying levels of understanding). Finally, the teacher can too clarify how and what decoding skills the student applies to reading words in context. Much can be learned about the reader. Tests similar the Johns offer four selections per level, ii fiction and 2 content surface area reading. This also assists the instructor with assessing reading strengths and deficits. Generally, I liked to administer at least two per level, peculiarly levels in question. I have several inventories, the ones named past Susan, and so I ultimately have assess to equally many every bit 12 passages per reading level. When administering a reading inventory parents tin can easily become confused. Usually we find a blueprint of "acing the levels" until we notice the instructional and then the frustration level. Nonetheless, it is not unheard of for a student to, for case, score lxxx% comprehension at the 5th grade level on one selection and 50% on another at the same level. This is why we need to use multiple. When I encounter this, I always administrate a third at that level. "Reading levels" are not exact science. The ability of a person to read and comprehend at a given level is dependent upon a number of factors; several of which are inherent in the text and others that reside in the private. If a child is reading a selection well-nigh a class visiting a science museum that has exhibits and hands-on activities, the child who has been to such a museum will be familiar with much of the vocabulary and the experiences that are being written virtually. The kid who has never visited a science museum may non comprehend the selection. But, who is the improve reader? Another pick might deal with a Mexican vacation. A child in Indiana may have no background with this holiday. A Mexican-American child in the S.W. may gloat this vacation annually, even Anglo kids in the S.Due west. may be exposed to this holiday. So, the child in Indiana struggles with the option, while the children from the Due south.W. pass handily. Who is the better reader? When reading inventories are administered thoroughly, more than data is available to the teacher and the parent than is bachelor from a standardized test that does non yield diagnostic data. Both kinds of tests are useful, but usually for unlike purposes. And, yes, I can bear witness growth in reading skills via a Johns inventory, peculiarly when I administer 2 or more selections per class level and likewise administer the word recognition (words in isolation lists). It is very clear. I also keep some of these and only use at IEP time. I have been known to re-administer the same lists/selections that were administered 1 year prior. Generally the child does not recall enough afterward a year, particularly if the kid read at frustration level the year before. When the kid can "ace" that same passage and continue to score well at the side by side level, too, nosotros do have progress and it is very measurable numerically. |
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| Bearding Joined Mar 02, 2022 Posts: 69136 Other Topics | Posted:Dec 29, 2003 11:23:30 AM Subject:Re: John'due south Reading Inventory Anitya, |
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| Sue Joined Jun 14, 2003 Posts: 1845 Other Topics | Posted:Dec 29, 2003 11:26:43 AM Discipline:Re: John's Reading Inventory If the reading inventory is part of a instructor's ongoing (through the year) programme to go on rails of progress then it tin aid with accountability (when I taught we did some tests midyear, some at the end, and they really helped me re-focus on making *progress,* not only "doing the lessons" by highlighting that student's private struggles & strengths). Sue J, webmastress world wide web.resourceroom.net |
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| Janis Joined Jun 12, 2003 Posts: 1442 Other Topics | Posted:Dec 29, 2003 half dozen:33:20 PM Field of study:Re: John's Reading Inventory Do any of you use the QRI-3? I ordered it recently simply oasis't had time to wade through the huge amount of instructions. Janis |
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Problems With Jerry Johns Basic Reading Inventory
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